How To Write a Book Proposal

There are several books available on writing book proposals. My favorites are:

I recommend you get at least one good, in-depth resource on writing book proposals. Meanwhile, here are bare-bones outlines of non-fiction and fiction book proposals.

Non-Fiction Book Proposals

Title page: Title, authors’ names, phone numbers, email addresses.

One sentence summary: It captures your book. It should be more hook than description.

Brief overview: This should read similar to back-cover copy. It should be exciting, informative, and make someone want to read your book. It tells the publisher in a succinct form what the book is about and who the market is. Three to four paragraphs.

Felt need: What needs will your book fulfill that your audience is already aware of? What questions are they asking that your book will answer? What do they want that you can give them?

About the authors: Half page to a full page on each author. Why are you qualified to write this book? List any previously published books or articles along with sales figures. Make a good case for YOU as the best possible author for a book on this topic. Include a small photo  of yourself – it doesn’t have to be professional, but it should be friendly and you should be smiling (unless, perhaps, you’re a horror writer, in which case you can have a spooky look like Stephen King often does).

The market: Whom do you see as the audience for the book? Why would somebody buy this book? How is this audience reached? Do you have any special relationships to the market? What books and magazines does this audience already read? What radio and TV programs do they tune into? Demonstrate an understanding of exactly who will buy your book and why.

Author marketing: This is where you’ll talk about your platform. How are YOU able to reach your target audience to market your book? This is NOT the place for expressing your “willingness” to participate in marketing, or your “great ideas” for marketing. This is the place to tell what you’ve already done, what contacts you already have, and what plans you’ve already made to help market your book. A list of speaking engagements already booked is great; radio or television programs you’re scheduled to appear on or have in the past; a newsletter you’re already sending out regularly; a blog that gets an impressive number of daily hits. Include specific blog stats (monthly unique visitors, monthly pageviews), number of Twitter followers and number of Facebook fans/friends.

The competition: What other books are in print on the same subject? How is your book different and better? (There is always competition.) First, give a general discussion of the state of the marketplace as regards books of this topic. Then do a list of 4 to 8 books that could be considered most comparable to yours. List the title, author, year of publication. (Only books in the last five years are relevant, unless they’re still bestsellers.) Then write a couple of sentences explaining what that book is about, and how yours is different, better, and/or a good complement to it.

Details: How many words will your book be? (Words, not pages.) How long after the signing of a contract will it take you to complete the book? (This is usually 2 to 6 months.)

Chapter outline: This is where it becomes crucial that your book is well organized and completely thought-through. You will need chapter titles, and a couple of sentences capturing each chapter’s theme.

Sample chapters: This is usually the Introduction, plus one or two chapters. Make sure they’re polished and perfect!

What about fiction?

If you’ve written a novel, you still need a book proposal but it will look slightly different. The most important thing with fiction is the writing itself, so your sample chapters must truly shine to capture an agent or editor’s attention.

However, just like with non-fiction, the author’s involvement in marketing is of utmost importance. So, much of your proposal will look similar to a non-fiction proposal because it’s about YOU and how you can help market your own book.

In a fiction proposal, you’ll be most successful at capturing attention if your first page includes a killer “hook” and a concise synopsis that doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story, but intrigues the reader enough that they feel they MUST read your book.

A great fiction proposal:

Title page: Title, authors’ names, phone numbers, email addresses.

One sentence hook: This is more of a tagline, one sentence that creates interest in the book.

Brief overview: This should read similar to back-cover copy. It should be exciting and make someone want to read your book. It tells the publisher in a succinct form what the book is about. Two to four paragraphs.

The market: Whom do you see as the audience for the book? Why would somebody buy this book? How is this audience reached? Do you have any special relationships to the market? What books and magazines does this audience already read? What radio and TV programs do they tune into? Demonstrate an understanding of exactly who will buy your book and why.

About the author: Half page to a full page on yourself. Why are you qualified to write this book? List any previously published books or articles along with sales figures. Any awards or special degrees or certificates in creative writing? Anything that helps establish you as a novelist goes in this section.

Author marketing: This is where you’ll talk about your platform. How are YOU able to reach your target audience to market your book? This is NOT the place for expressing your “willingness” to participate in marketing, or your “great ideas” for marketing. This is the place to tell what you’ve already done, what contacts you already have, and what plans you’ve already made to help market your book. A list of speaking engagements already booked is great; radio or television programs you’re scheduled to appear on or have in the past; a newsletter you’re already sending out regularly; a blog that gets an impressive number of daily hits. This is NOT the place to say that your book would be terrific on Oprah, unless you have documented proof that Oprah’s people have already contacted you.

Comparable books: Instead of a “competition” section, you’ll want to include four to five novels that you see as similar to yours in some way. It helps the editor develop a big-picture understanding of your book. It’s best not to include blockbuster bestsellers (The DaVinci Code, Left Behind) but do include well-known books with solid sales. Include title, author, release year, and a couple of sentences about the book and how yours is similar and would appeal to the same audience.

Details: How many words will your book be? (Words, not pages.) How many chapters? Have you included book club discussion questions? Is your manuscript complete? (Note: Unless you’re a multi-published novelist, you must have a completed novel before approaching agents and editors.)

Longer synopsis: In several pages (2 to 6 is a good guideline) describe the story. In this part, don’t worry about preserving the “surprise” factor. This is where you have to explain the story, start to finish.

Sample chapters: Include the first 40 to 50 pages of your manuscript (ending at a natural chapter break). Don’t include random chapters – you need the FIRST few chapters. Make sure they’re polished and perfect! THIS is what will determine whether you get a request for a full manuscript or not.

*Please note that you normally only send a full proposal if requested by an agent or editor based on your written query or a face-to-face meeting at a conference.

Rachelle Gardner

Literary agent at Gardner Literary. Coffee & wine enthusiast (not at the same time) and dark chocolate connoisseur. I've worked in publishing since 1995 and I love talking about books!

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    Would all these same guidelines apply to a children’s story?



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  8. Brian on January 17, 2013 at 8:55 PM

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  11. Patricia Florio on November 15, 2012 at 7:20 PM

    I just bought the book you suggested. Thank you. I will start a book proposal and then tighten it up when I receive your book. Some things just don’t come as easy as writing. I can write a book, and now I hope I can write a book proposal.

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  12. Anita Strawn de Ojeda on November 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM

    I’m trying to do my homework on creating a ‘platform’ and have a question that I haven’t seen addressed yet. Is it ok to use some of the content from the manuscript on a blog that I create?



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  17. Heather on July 15, 2012 at 4:58 PM

    Also, what if it’s a series we’re writting?



  18. Heather on July 15, 2012 at 4:53 PM

    When you say ‘Manuscript ‘ you mean the book, right?



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    • Brenda on October 23, 2012 at 3:47 PM

      Great Joe Smo, Im with you. I had it backwards too. Seem to be a lot of work besides writing the book. I did not realize that you promote the book before it is written until I ran across several blogs explaining it. Im not shy but on a tight budget, it would take traveling to places with hopes of getting into the right venue. I’ve spoken at churches on Godly matters not promoting my book. Guess I have to change my thought patterns now.



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  59. Rebecca Tolley-Stokes on July 29, 2011 at 11:08 PM

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    Rachelle: I still don’t get this platform thing. How am I ever going to get speaking engagements if I don’t have a book published? Who would want to listen to me? I wouldn’t go out of my way to listen to a wannabe author speak.

    Perhaps that works in the Christian market, where there are umpteen churches who need speakers for special events, and who don’t have the budget to schedule in a published author. But what about the general market? What do I say to the person who books speakers for the Kiwanis club? “I’ve written a great book, and if I can get enough speaking engagements an editor might consider publishing it, and 24 months later it will be in bookstores as a paperback.” Who in their right mind would schedule such a “speaker”? Who would want to listen to him.

    I’m not trying to be argumentative. I just don’t see how it works in the general market.



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      David, nobody is saying you should be a speaker. For some non-fiction topics, it’s a no-brainer to be a speaker. For others, and for fiction, it often doesn’t make sense. You have to decide if you’re a speaker or not.

      That said, plenty of people have speaking careers before they’re published authors. They’re on the “motivational speaking” circuit or on the “inspirational speaking” circuit or perhaps, like you said, they speak at churches and retreats. Lots of people have expertise on a topic prior to writing books.



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  65. Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:20 PM

    Folks, I said this post is a BARE BONES outline of a book proposal, and I meant it. You will be highly unlikely to have a winning book proposal if you try to write one based on a few blog posts you find online. That’s why I listed the Jeff Herman and Mary DeMuth resources. They’re detailed and in-depth, and they show full spectrum of what a proposal can and should be.

    Don’t try to write a book proposal based on just blogs! Jeff Herman’s book is only ten bucks on Amazon – figure out a way.



  66. Gene on July 29, 2011 at 12:19 PM

    I understand that with fiction you should always have the work completed before querying, and in non-fiction you should submit book proposals before writing so you don’t waste time on something market doesn’t want to buy.

    But what about a non-fiction book written about a fictitious subject? Or a work of fiction set up like a non-fiction book of field notes, like a compendium or “monster manual” or something like that? Write and query? Or book proposal, find a buyer, then write?



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:17 PM

      What if? What if? What if?

      Your book is either fiction or non-fiction, period, end of story. Which section of the bookstore (online or IRL) does it go in?

      From there, you should be able to figure it out.



  67. Monica Lee on July 29, 2011 at 12:02 PM

    Terrific post, Rachelle!



  68. Sharon A Lavy on July 29, 2011 at 12:00 PM

    Thanks for the helpful info, Rachelle.



  69. Jaime Wright on July 29, 2011 at 11:49 AM

    Is it a good idea to insert an author pic with the bio? I haven’t been able to in the past because I didn’t have one – now I do, but wasn’t sure if that was too … lofty? 😛



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:15 PM

      Definitely – always include an author photo. Will update my post with this.



  70. Richard on July 29, 2011 at 11:39 AM

    Very interesting information if one is writing a book, and i think the same things could be applied when writing a bog as well………….Just to share with you folks, i have a new post today on Amish Stories from the Terre Hill days even that was just held in Lancaster Pennsylvania. It was a very hot day but i was able to get i think a few good images from this event. The town is populated with a mix of Amish and old order Mennonites which only adds to its charm. They even have what has become famous in Terre Hill their “outhouse race”. The town sits on a hill so it overlooks Lancaster farmland in almost all directions. This is one of my favorite towns to visit because its free from commercialism, so if you are looking for a really all American kind of town with the added bonus of seeing its Amish and Mennonite residents at work and play, then this town is for you. Thanks folks. Richard from Amish Stories.



  71. Wendy on July 29, 2011 at 10:39 AM

    It’s so refreshing to come here and get good solid advice in this industry!

    Bookmarking this.

    (And great RT today of Michael Hyatt’s post. Light bulbs were going off like crazy in my head.)

    Have a great weekend!
    ~ Wendy



  72. Christi McGuire on July 29, 2011 at 10:28 AM

    Thanks for this great info! I am just about ready for this step in my non-fiction adventure. This was very helpful, as are all your posts! Thanks!



  73. Rachel on July 29, 2011 at 10:10 AM

    When you say to list the one sentence hook and brief summary, does that mean we should label them as such?

    Thanks so much for doing these guides, Rachelle!



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:14 PM

      Yes, you should.



  74. Marketing Letters on July 29, 2011 at 9:04 AM

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  75. Kate on July 29, 2011 at 9:02 AM

    Thank you so much for this wealth of information! As a fiction writer, all of this made sense to me, though I was concerned regarding the author marketing. I’m not sure I understand how a never-before published author is supposed to do most of these things. I don’t know what newspaper or radio person is going to want to interview someone with no agent and no publishing history. The only way I can see it happening is with a blog. So I’d love a post on a never-before published perspective.

    Ultimately, how does a new author get off the ground? A lot of the things mentioned in the author marketing seems to be impossible for that kind of person. Maybe you could shed some light for the newbies?



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:14 PM

      This is not to suggest that a debut novelist SHOULD have any or all of those things. The point is, if you’ve got it, you put it in the proposal. If you don’t, then don’t try to make something up.

      Non-fiction authors DO need to have some of those marketing elements in place.



    • Nan Jones on July 30, 2011 at 6:59 PM

      Kate & Rachelle, My first manuscript (non-fiction) is with a publishing board right now. I used Mary DeMuth’s tutorial as my guide. In my proposal I listed many regional radio stations, newspapers, a couple of local magazines and one TV program as possibilities for interviews. In my proposal I stated that I would contact each of these with press releases and follow-up phone calls. You have to start somewhere. If you believe God has given you a message, then believe that He will open doors to have it heard. I may only get one or two offers, but it is a beginning and I believe it tells the publisher something about my initiative and work ethic. Hope this helps. I would have been lost without Mary’s tutorial.



  76. Jonathan on July 29, 2011 at 7:40 AM

    Is this format a one size fits all, an agent specific, or a framework to work off of?



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:12 PM

      As I said, this is a BARE BONES outline of a proposal. The Jeff Herman book and the Mary DeMuth tutorials go into detail about exactly what can and should go into a book proposal.



  77. otin on July 29, 2011 at 7:17 AM

    I love the way that you detail everything. This is like a computer class. 🙂



  78. Sra on July 29, 2011 at 4:15 AM

    People talk a lot about queries and summaries. What about a cover letter for a requested summary. Is there a certain way it should be done?



  79. Stephanie McGee on July 29, 2011 at 1:19 AM

    This is for selling a work of fiction on spec, right? So you write a couple of chapters, tease the audience with a query-esque pitch, and such? I’m confused here on how this is different than your query package you send out to agents.



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 1:11 PM

      Queries and proposals are two totally different things. See my comments above.



  80. joan Cimyotte on July 29, 2011 at 12:36 AM

    How is a book proposal different from a query? In a query, I’m trying to get the interest of an agent. Who does the book proposal go to?



    • Melissa K. Norris on July 29, 2011 at 1:26 AM

      A book proposal goes to the editor at the publishing house. It shows the big picture of you as an author, beyond just your book. Mostly, it shows how the marketing will be done. It helps the editor sell your book at pub committee.



      • Lisa Marie on July 29, 2011 at 4:52 AM

        This was my question.

        So if a book proposal is requested? Or is this something that writers should have prepared in advance?



        • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 11:26 AM

          If you write fiction, don’t worry about preparing a proposal prior to querying. Just make sure your manuscript is complete and ready for prime time.

          If you write non-fiction, don’t send your proposal with the query, but make sure your proposal is complete and polished BEFORE you query, so you can immediately send it if requested.



    • Rachelle Gardner on July 29, 2011 at 11:29 AM

      A QUERY is a brief letter, no longer than one page, designed to get the agent to ask to see more.

      A PROPOSAL is an in-depth professional document, many pages long, explaining all those things I outlined in this post.

      All this information I described above that is required for a book proposal? You would NEVER include that in a query. The query is brief. The proposal is detailed.



  81. Dean K Miller on July 29, 2011 at 12:12 AM

    Way to early for me to ask ?’s or think too much about this. But I’ll refer back to it when it’s time.

    Thanks for the info.